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Order N3 12_Numeral Noun Demonstrative

Definition
The value of the property Numeral Noun Demonstrative is "yes" when this order can be used in a neutral context.

Definition of Demonstrative

The following context is a good context to set this property (Wang and McCready 2005):

What do you think about …………………….. ?

Another good context is to put the Numeral Noun Demonstrative in a phrase functioning either as a subject or an object of a clause:

Context: There are exactly three children playing in the street. Someone tells you:

……………………………… are my students

I know ……………………………. well.

General Note on Word Order Properties:
A "yes" value for the property Numeral Noun Demonstrative does not exclude a "yes" value for other orders of these categories.

NA: for this property means that the language has no Numerals or no Demonstratives that can combine with nouns.

-- Please add a glossed example for any ‘yes’ value.
-- If Numeral Noun Demonstrative can be used in other types of contexts, please add an example with a comment, or send an email to the property authors. (In some languages for example, demonstratives can be used as specific indefinites (English: there is this movie you should see ‘ there is a particular movie you should see’)). See in particular the comments for Spanish and Greek below.

Examples:
1. English is ‘no’ for this property:

* what about four men these

2. Basque is ‘yes’ for this property:

lau sagar (eder) hauek
four apple (beautiful) these
‘these four beautiful apples’

Reference: H. Artiagoitia (2006) “Basque adjectives and the functional structure of the noun phrase”. Available on line at: http://artxiker.ccsd.cnrs.fr/artxibo-00087305/en/ Example on p. 15.

3. Wolof is ‘yes’ for this property:

ñeent-i góór ñ-ii
four -AGR men these

4. Hebrew is ‘yes’ for this property:

arbaa anashim ele
four men these

5. Welsh is ‘yes’ for this property:

y pedwar dyn ma / y pedwar dyn hyn
the four men these

Additional evidence in D. Willis (2006) Against N-raising and NP-raising analyses of Welsh noun phrases, Lingua 116: 1807-1839.

6. Spanish is ‘yes’ for this property:

los cuatro hombres estos
the four men these

Comment: some speakers accept this sequence with marked intonation only, others appear to accept it even in neutral contexts. It is unclear what factors determine the variability. Insights from speakers and discussions are welcomed.

7. Greek is ‘yes’ for this property:

ta tria vivlia afta
the three books these

Comment: some speakers accept this sequence with marked intonation only, others appear to accept it even in neutral contexts. It is unclear what factors determine the variability. Insights from speakers and discussions are welcomed.

Contributed by: Cristina Guardiano and Hilda Koopman
Language Value Contributor Comments
   =Hoan No Chris Collins
   Acehnese Yes Julie Legate
   Afrikaans No Theresa Biberauer
   Albanian No Dalina Kallulli
   Amharic No Girma Demeke
   Ancient Greek No Richard Faure
   Arabic, Gulf Yes Dimitrios Ntelitheos
   Armenian (Eastern) No Sona Haroutyunian
   Bafut No Pius Tamanji
   Bambara No Hilda Koopman
   Bandial No Wolfgang Berndt
   Bardi Yes Claire Bowern
+ Basaa No Paul Roger Bassong
  Words: momáâ má ɓôt máná
  Gloss: PL.ten.two GEN 2persons AGR.DEM.PROX.
  Translation:  ‘These/ Here are twenty persons’
  Comment: We end up with a clause. (example entered for Paul Roger Bassong)
  Contributor: Hyo Shin
  Words: jôm lí ɓôt líní
  Gloss: ten GEN 2persons AGR.DEM.PROX.
  Translation:  ‘These/here are ten persons’
  Comment: We end up with a clause. (example entered for Paul Roger Bassong)
  Contributor: Hyo Shin
   Beng No Denis Paperno
   Bengali No Priyanka Biswas
   Bole No Alhaji Gimba
   Brazilian Portuguese No Ananda Lima
   Burmese No Timothy Ho
   Calabrian (Northern) No Giuseppina Silvestri
   Cantonese (Guangzhou) No Zixian Qiu
+ Catalan Yes Victoria Mateu
  Words: els dos nens aquests
  Gloss: the two boys these
  Translation: 'These two boys'
  Comment: The use of the determiner is obligatory
  Contributor: Victoria Mateu
   Chichewa No Sam Mchombo
   Chickasaw No Pam Munro
   Chol No Jessica Coon
   Cypriot Greek No Marios Andreou
   Czech No Pavel Caha
   Dagaare No Adams Bodomo
   Danish No Fabricio M. F. Gerardi
   Dholuo No Hilda Koopman
   Dida Lakota (diéko) No Gohon Fabienne Stéphanie Attéby
   Digo No Steve Nicolle
   Digor Ossetic No David Erschler
   Dutch No Hilda Koopman
   Eastern Armenian No Karine Megerdoomian
   English No Hilda Koopman
   English (Singapore) No Adam Chong
   Ewe No Chris Collins
   Faroese No Hjalmar Páll Petersen
   Finnish No Anders Holmberg
   French No Hilda Koopman
   Frisian (West Frisian) No Jarich Hoekstra
   Ga No Mary Esther Kropp Dakubu
   galician No Naír García
   Garifuna Yes Pam Munro
   georgian No Lea Nash
   German No Viola Schmitt
+ Greek Yes Arhonto Terzi
  Words: i eksinda ergates afti
  Gloss: the sixty workers these
  Translation: these sixty workers
  Comment: See 'Adjective Noun Demonstrative' for grammaticality conditions
  Contributor: Arhonto Terzi
   Greek (Calabria) No Cristina Guardiano
   Greek (Cappadocian) No Petros Karatsareas
   Greek (Homer) NA Cristina Guardiano
   Greek (Medieval) Yes Io Manolessou
   Greek (Pontic) No Cristina Guardiano and Dimitris Michelioudakis
   Guébie No Hannah Sande
   Gungbe (Porto-Novo) No Enoch Oladé Aboh
   Gurene No Samuel Atintono
+ Haitian Yes Michel DeGraff
  Words: Mwen konn twa timoun sa yo byen.
  Gloss: I know three children DEM PL good
  Translation: 'I know these 3 children well'
  Contributor: Michel DeGraff
   Hakka No Iris Wu
   Hausa No Michael A. Estrada
+ Hebrew Yes Ur Shlonsky
  Words: arba xavilot elu higi'u etmol
  Gloss: four packages these arrived yesterday
  Translation: 'These four packages arrived yesterday'
  Contributor: Ur Shlonsky
+ Hebrew (Biblical) Yes Massimo Gargiulo
  Words: sheloshet hammelakim ha'elle (2 Ki 3,10)
  Gloss: three.NUM thekings.ART+NOUN the these.ART+DEM
  Translation: these three kings
  Contributor: Massimo Gargiulo
   Hindi No Gurprit Bains
+ Hixkaryana NA Laura Kalin
  Comment: There are demonstrative pronouns in Hixkaryana (Derbyshire 1985:p. 7) but no demonstratives that co-occur with a noun (p. 26).
  Contributor: Laura Kalin
   Hungarian No Anna Szabolcsi
   Ibibio No Willie Willie
   Icelandic No Jim Wood
   Igbo No Mary Amaechi
   Iha No Mark Donohue
   imbabura quichua No UCLA Linguistics 210
   Indonesian No Mark Donohue
   Iron Ossetic No David Erschler
+ Italian No Cristina Guardiano
  Words: * tre bambini questi sono miei studenti
  Gloss: three children these are my students
  Contributor: Cristina Guardiano
   Italian (Napoletano Antico) No Adam Ledgeway
   Italian (Reggiano) No Giovanni Roversi
   Japanese No Hilda Koopman
   K'iche' No Pam Munro
   Khasi No Gracious Temsen
   KiLega No Kasangati Kinyalolo
   Kinande No Patricia Schneider-Zioga and Philip Mutaka
   Kiyaka No Lukowa Kidima
   Kom No Richard Kwamong
   Korean No Hyo Shin
   Kuot No Eva Lindström
   Kurdish (Sorani) No Yadgar Karimi
   Kusunda No Mark Donohue
   Laal No Florian Lionnet
   Lango No Arwa Rangwala
   Lao No Alif Silpachai
   Latin (Late) No Chiara Gianollo Not found in my sample. More extensive corpus research would be needed to safely assess this point.
+ Lebanese Arabic Yes Lina Choueiri
  Words: l-xams wleed haydole
  Gloss: the-five chidren this.pl
  Contributor: Hilda Koopman
   Lithuanian No Felix Thies
   Maasai (Kisongo) No Hilda Koopman
   Mada No Bebey Théodore
   Malagasy No Hilda Koopman
   Malayalam No Mythili Menon
   Mandarin No Mark Donohue
   Marshallese No Heather Willson Sturman
   Medumba Yes KEUPDJIO HERMANN SIDOINE
   Middle Dutch No Gertjan Postma
   Miya No Michael A. Estrada
   Moroccan Arabic No Arwa Rangwala
+ Muyang No Bebey Théodore
  Words: * zlam awák heni
  Gloss: five goat this
  Contributor: Bebey Théodore
   Nahuatl (Central Huasteca) No John Garcia
+ Nahuatl (Classical) No John Garcia
  Comment: no examples found yet.
  Contributor: John Garcia
   Nawdm No Hannah Kim
   nda'nda' Yes Christelle Niguieu Toukam
   Neapolitan No Giuseppe Samo
   Nepali No Mark Donohue
   Northern Thai Yes Alif Silpachai
   Norwegian No Marit Julien
   Nupe No Jason Kandybowicz
   Nweh No Hilda Koopman
   Okinawan No Ken Hiraiwa
   Old English No Willem Koopman
   Old French No Heather Burnett
   Old Saxon No George Walkden
   Oluwanga (Eji) No Ceciliane Odangah
   One Yes Mark Donohue
   panjabi No Gurprit Bains
   Papuan Malay Yes Mark Donohue
   Pashto No David Pate
   Pima No Marcus Smith
   Polish No Barbara Tomaszewicz
   Portuguese No Fabricio M. F. Gerardi
   Q'anjob'al Yes Kathleen O'Flynn
   Romanian No Monica Alexandrina Irimia
   Russian Yes Denis Paperno
   Sandawe No Helen Eaton
   Sasak Yes Nur Ahmadi and Eli Asikin-Garmager
   Scottish Gaelic Yes David Adger
   Shan No Alif Silpachai
+ Shupamem Yes Abdoulaye Laziz Nchare
  Words: kpa pon p-i
  Gloss: four children Agr.Dem
  Translation: These four children
  Comment: (ex entered for Laziz and to be transferred to Laziz)
  Contributor: Hilda Koopman
+ Sicilian No Cristina Guardiano
  Words: * tri màkini sti
  Gloss: three cars these
  Translation: these three cars
  Contributor: Cristina Guardiano
   Skou No Mark Donohue
   Spanish Yes Michael A. Estrada With the proper intonation and manner, this order may be allowed by some speakers of Spanish. The order can be commonly found when the speaker has the intension of sounding dismissive about the topic at hand, e.g. "Los tres niños esos siempre están causando problemas", translated roughly as, "Those three kids are always causing trouble".
   Swedish No fredrik heinat
   Swiss German No Cecile Meier
+ Tagalog Yes Edith Aldridge
  Words: dalawa-ng tao-ng ito
  Gloss: two-LK person-LK this
  Translation: these two people
  Contributor: Edith Aldridge
   Taiwanese Southern Min No Arthur Wang
+ Teramano No Iara Mantenuto
  Words: *tre bambulə ʃti
  Gloss: three dolls these
  Translation: these three dolls
  Contributor: Iara Mantenuto
   Thai No Peter Jenks
   Tiwa No Virginia Dawson
   Tommo-So No Laura McPherson
   Tukang Besi No Mark Donohue
   Tuki (Tukombo) No Edmond Biloa
   Tupi (Ancient) No Fabricio M. F. Gerardi
   Turkish No Murat Kural
   Tuvan No Mark Donohue
   Twi No Cansada Martin
   Ukrainian No Roksolana Mykhaylyk
   Vata No Hilda Koopman
+ Vietnamese Yes Binh Ngo
  Words: hai trái táo này
  Gloss: two CL apple this
  Translation: "these two apples"
  Contributor: Binh Ngo
   Vlaški-Žejanski-Istro-Romanian No Zvjezdana Vrzic
   Wan No Tatiana Nikitina
   West Flemish No Liliane Haegeman
   Western Armenian No Hrayr Khanjian
   Wolane No Hannah Kim
+ Wolof Yes Mariame Sy
  Words: fukk-i teere yu rey yale
  Gloss: Num-pl N rel Adj Dem
  Translation: Those ten big books
  Contributor: Mariame Sy
  Words: sama fukk-i teere yu rey yale
  Gloss: 1.Poss Num-pl N rel Adj Dem
  Translation: those ten big books of mine
  Contributor: Mariame Sy
  Words: fukk-i teere-em yu rey yale
  Gloss: Num-pl N-3.poss rel Adj Dem
  Translation: "those ten big books of his"
  Comment: rel and adj agree with (plural prefix-y.u and y. a.le.)
  Contributor: Mariame Sy
   Wuhu Chinese No Zhuo Chen
   Xhosa No Xiujie Ma
   Yémba No Elsie Mawamba
+ Yoruba Yes Johnson Folorunso Ilori [not neutral: will change to no after migration)
  Words: Mẹ́tàlá ọkùnrin/Adáj̣ọ́ yẹn kò tó bẹ́ẹ̀
  Gloss: Thirteen man/Judge that neg be-enough so
  Translation: 'Thirteen of that man/Judge is not up to the task.'
  Comment: This is also not a neutral context, but it is commonly used in the language.
  Contributor: Johnson Folorunso Ilori
  Words: Wọ́n gba mẹ́rin àpò kòkó yìí lọ́wọ́ rẹ̀
  Gloss: 3pl take four sack cocoa this LOC-hand 3sg-gen
  Translation: 'They collected four [of this cocoa sack]/ [sacks of this cocoa] from him/her.'
  Comment: Not neutral. Appears to have genitive base (cf.previous example) Well-formed and commonly used in the language
  Contributor: Johnson Folorunso Ilori
   Zamboageño Chabacano No Grace Gaspardo
   Zulu No Claire Halpert